Full Transcript — Meeting between Dmitri Sunshine and Stephen Cowan
Dmitri Sunshine: School like hold on.
Dmitri Sunshine: You mind if my fireflies.
Stephen Cowan: This meeting is being recorded.
Stephen Cowan: Anything you want.
Stephen Cowan: You like firefly?
Stephen Cowan: I use granola.
Dmitri Sunshine: Granola.
Dmitri Sunshine: Of course you do.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: And also because it doesn’t let anybody know.
Dmitri Sunshine: Oh really?
Stephen Cowan: Recording?
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, it’s, it’s recording right now because it’s recording off of my computer.
Stephen Cowan: So you don’t have to be like, hey, do you mind if I.
Stephen Cowan: It just records all of it.
Dmitri Sunshine: Interesting.
Dmitri Sunshine: I ended up going with this because I got a year of Perplexity Pro free with it too.
Dmitri Sunshine: That and I wanted, I wanted a way to communicate with my Claude code like so I could just essentially like be out on the walk, record a super long message with a whole bunch of different things and it gets synced up to my cloud code and it will then do a daily briefing the next day and include things about that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, gonna do a weekly briefing.
Dmitri Sunshine: That’s what I gotta do.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, do a weekly one.
Stephen Cowan: Cc me on that.
Stephen Cowan: I want to know what you got going on over there.
Stephen Cowan: I’m interested.
Dmitri Sunshine: There’s a, there’s a lot of vulnerability there.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, just, just get, do the high level stuff.
Stephen Cowan: Do the AI stuff.
Stephen Cowan: That’s what I want to know.
Stephen Cowan: I want to know what’s going on with AI.
Stephen Cowan: And that was a nice part about doing the meetup at Wild Pastures.
Stephen Cowan: I ended up hanging with.
Stephen Cowan: Was his name Patrick?
Dmitri Sunshine: Yep.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, hanging with Patrick.
Stephen Cowan: Excited for the, the hike on Thursday and basically we got to a point where I was like, hey, I could do a trade of helping you with marketing.
Stephen Cowan: Because he’s like, hey, I know how to do stuff, but I don’t know how to let anybody know.
Stephen Cowan: I’m like, hey, I don’t know how to do AI stuff and I know how to let people know about stuff.
Stephen Cowan: So let’s do a trade.
Stephen Cowan: And so he was fired up about that.
Stephen Cowan: And I appreciate you being like ever supportive of.
Stephen Cowan: Hey, I think, I think this is more your thing.
Stephen Cowan: This is more your thing and it’s showing up a lot more.
Stephen Cowan: So.
Stephen Cowan: So thanks for being a stand for, for what you see for me.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Good.
Dmitri Sunshine: By the way, let me just.
Dmitri Sunshine: I need to set a timer for alarm for 4:20pm so I’ve got another meeting here at 4:30.
Dmitri Sunshine: So I just want to make sure don’t go over because I didn’t know
Stephen Cowan: if that was your smoke break.
Dmitri Sunshine: What?
Stephen Cowan: Oh, 420.
Dmitri Sunshine: Do you know, I, I get, I, I give myself a, you know, the Apple watch.
Dmitri Sunshine: If you snooze, it gives you nine minutes or at Least mine’s set up for nine minutes.
Dmitri Sunshine: So anyways, it’s my way of being like, okay, I’ve got the last, you know, 10 minutes.
Dmitri Sunshine: But yeah, so.
Dmitri Sunshine: So, Steve, tell me, like, tell me where you’re at.
Dmitri Sunshine: What are you thinking?
Stephen Cowan: Oh, so this podcast is happening more and more.
Stephen Cowan: I’m getting better at this.
Stephen Cowan: The universe is definitely speaking to me.
Stephen Cowan: Help people create content.
Stephen Cowan: I, I bet in the last week there’s been four you and Patrick and then two, maybe three other people have like, said, hey, yeah, I’m open.
Stephen Cowan: What could this look like either in trade or for.
Stephen Cowan: Or for, you know, fee or.
Stephen Cowan: And what I’m good at right now, what I feel very comfortable offering is basically what I’m doing today is say you’ve got a founder that you’re working with.
Stephen Cowan: I could interview them and depends on what their goal is.
Stephen Cowan: Are they looking for?
Stephen Cowan: Depends on what their goal is.
Stephen Cowan: But say they want a one minute, you know, welcome to the website and then a bunch of social content.
Stephen Cowan: I can interview them like the same way that I interviewed you and then, and I give them everything.
Stephen Cowan: Hey, here’s the raw footage for you to do whatever with.
Stephen Cowan: Here’s a full, you know, basically podcast type of a thing.
Stephen Cowan: I wouldn’t guarantee that I would, you know, post it on my platforms or anything, but.
Stephen Cowan: And then I would get them whatever their goal is for however many clips and reels that they would want.
Stephen Cowan: And the goal would be creating organic, high quality content.
Stephen Cowan: And depending on how that content performs, could then potentially be turned into paid media.
Stephen Cowan: Having done a bunch of paid media, that’s the best kind of paid media.
Stephen Cowan: If that’s what their goal is, like depends on what they’re trying to do.
Stephen Cowan: But I’m very comfortable in that way.
Stephen Cowan: I’d say the second thing I’m most comfortable with is shooting ads.
Stephen Cowan: So helping with like the script writing, helping with the hook, like everything is mostly hook.
Stephen Cowan: It’s like 80% hook is where the effort goes and shooting, coming up with script or co creating, script editing, revising and then, you know, delivering.
Stephen Cowan: If they want ads, depending whatever that might be.
Stephen Cowan: Now that’s all easiest if they’re here locally.
Stephen Cowan: If they are far away, then maybe just consulting on it.
Stephen Cowan: But I’d say those are the two things that I do, you know, daily.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Have you come up with specific packages and the limitations there and the cost of each?
Stephen Cowan: I have not.
Stephen Cowan: I think, I think that my thought today is just asking them what, what it is that they want and need.
Stephen Cowan: What are they looking for?
Stephen Cowan: Do you have a sense for it?
Stephen Cowan: Are they looking for some.
Stephen Cowan: Are they looking for social media content?
Stephen Cowan: Are they looking for, you know, what are they looking for?
Stephen Cowan: And then based on that, I could create packages.
Stephen Cowan: But I haven’t had enough of these discussions to be like, okay, here’s what it would cost to do 10 reels.
Stephen Cowan: Here’s what it would cost to make a five minute intro video.
Stephen Cowan: Here’s what.
Stephen Cowan: And there’d be B.
Stephen Cowan: Roll it in if they were local as well.
Stephen Cowan: So I don’t have.
Stephen Cowan: And then asking what their budget is.
Stephen Cowan: Like, if they’re like, okay, our budget is $1,000 big.
Stephen Cowan: Okay, here’s what I think I could do.
Stephen Cowan: Here’s what I could do for $1,000.
Stephen Cowan: So I think I’d want to ask a few more questions first.
Stephen Cowan: But if you, if you were like going to pitch it on my behalf, I could, I could come up with something.
Stephen Cowan: And, and I don’t, I don’t have that off the top of my head, but I could deliver something if you wanted it, you know.
Dmitri Sunshine: Can I make a suggestion?
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So right now, I mean, cloud code’s great at this already, but right now you also get double usage until the 28th, so try to take advantage of that and just be like, dude, go look up.
Dmitri Sunshine: Say, I need you to do research on what are the competitors to what I’m doing.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right.
Dmitri Sunshine: What are they charging?
Dmitri Sunshine: So do full competitive analysis.
Dmitri Sunshine: Analyze their websites, Analyze like what materials you can find around them.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, pull all that down.
Dmitri Sunshine: So I’ve got a little like competitor database.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then I want you to generate my materials.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right.
Dmitri Sunshine: Even though right now it would be kind of blah, you know, it’s kind of like regurgitated.
Dmitri Sunshine: But I think that will get you really far with like having something to show and just having a starter point for conversations.
Dmitri Sunshine: Because I think if you ask what’s people’s budget, I mean, I think most people are going to be like, oh, it’s, you know, it’s really low versus like, hey, this is how much I charge for this.
Dmitri Sunshine: If you can’t afford that, here’s the lesser package, right?
Dmitri Sunshine: So always have that like tripwire.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then do the Alex Hermosi thing where you’ve got like the whale package.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, it’s like you need the works.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it’s like if you have those three, you know, packages, but just have something would be really helpful.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then I can send you a link to our referral program so you can see the, like, how we got that set.
Dmitri Sunshine: But essentially it’s like 10% with a maximum, but it’s like 15 during this initial.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like for the first, like, I don’t remember what.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s like 15 people.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it’s kind of like the founder deal anyways.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So that’s, that’s something to consider is just like how do you.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: How do you.
Dmitri Sunshine: How do you sweeten the deal to get people to refer them to you?
Stephen Cowan: Okay, how do I.
Stephen Cowan: That’s why you’re doing 15 instead of.
Stephen Cowan: Instead of 10.
Dmitri Sunshine: Well that’s, that’s also just like initial stages too.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right.
Dmitri Sunshine: Kind of like it’s called like the founding circle.
Dmitri Sunshine: Whatever.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: Okay, that sounds great.
Stephen Cowan: And I like the idea of, I mean when I did sales, I always had a. I always had that, that three.
Stephen Cowan: Hey, look.
Stephen Cowan: And most people go in the middle and so I’ll, I’ll make something.
Stephen Cowan: Thank you for that idea.
Stephen Cowan: To, to just scan competitors.
Stephen Cowan: I have no idea what the market charges for anything.
Stephen Cowan: So thank you.
Dmitri Sunshine: We’re gonna surprise you.
Stephen Cowan: Okay, good.
Dmitri Sunshine: So, yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then just have cloud code generate the whole website for you.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s all, you know, it’s cool.
Dmitri Sunshine: Is so with cloudflare, cloudflare is like, you know, this hosting platform.
Dmitri Sunshine: But it’s all, I mean it’s like, it’s all.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s a myriad of things you can actually like.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s a domain name registrar.
Dmitri Sunshine: They have all the CDN functionality and anyway, so what you could do is say, hey, I’m gonna.
Dmitri Sunshine: I want this all to be free.
Dmitri Sunshine: So Claude, I want you to like find the best template for me, put it out there on Cloud Flare to host this, you know, to host my website for free.
Dmitri Sunshine: And Astro is the, the kind of the manager that does that makes this easier.
Dmitri Sunshine: That turns like this makes static websites.
Dmitri Sunshine: But you can still have like newsletter sign up, which you should definitely do.
Dmitri Sunshine: Um, I’m using Brevo for that, which is also free up until I don’t know how.
Dmitri Sunshine: However many subscribers.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s pretty like pretty generous limit, but it still can do all that.
Dmitri Sunshine: You can still have like contact forms and all this things.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it’s not meh.
Dmitri Sunshine: And you don’t have to do.
Dmitri Sunshine: I don’t.
Dmitri Sunshine: For me, I hate WordPress now.
Dmitri Sunshine: I hate dealing with WordPress.
Dmitri Sunshine: So this is a great alternative.
Dmitri Sunshine: And that, the fact that like I no longer have to go and click around, I’m just like, open it up.
Stephen Cowan: I didn’t know all that was possible.
Stephen Cowan: I have a website on Shopify and another website on Squarespace, but I’ve not used Claude to like do work for me.
Stephen Cowan: Still using it kind of like chat gbt.
Stephen Cowan: Like just thinking for me.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, yeah, it’s.
Dmitri Sunshine: I mean, I’m impressed.
Dmitri Sunshine: It does require several go arounds.
Dmitri Sunshine: Sure.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right.
Dmitri Sunshine: You gotta be like, hey, you know, like, I think you can make it look more professional.
Dmitri Sunshine: Try harder.
Dmitri Sunshine: But it just, it keeps building on itself and keeps getting better.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, it’s.
Dmitri Sunshine: I mean, it’s really cool.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then you’re in charge.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right.
Dmitri Sunshine: You don’t have to.
Dmitri Sunshine: And squarespace is like what, 25 bucks a month.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So there you go.
Stephen Cowan: This is through Claude code.
Stephen Cowan: I’ve never used Claude code.
Stephen Cowan: I’ve always just used.
Stephen Cowan: Let me see.
Stephen Cowan: I’m just using projects mostly.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it’s way better to.
Dmitri Sunshine: I mean, projects is okay, but if you download the co work, the.
Dmitri Sunshine: They have a desktop.
Stephen Cowan: I have that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: Which has the chats, the CO work and the code.
Stephen Cowan: I don’t see that.
Stephen Cowan: Oh yeah, I see coworkers.
Stephen Cowan: Virtual machine platform not available.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Stephen Cowan: I gotta enable it.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, but code should also be on there too, so you can run it.
Stephen Cowan: Yep, I see that up here.
Stephen Cowan: Never use any of that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: And coworker is just a fancy wrapper around cloud code.
Dmitri Sunshine: But anyways.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So all truly possible, number one thing with cloud code is use the plan mode and the other magical thing because I mean this is where it’s like with working with AI, it’s like being the AI whisperer.
Dmitri Sunshine: So say hold down whatever skills you.
Dmitri Sunshine: Whatever Claude code skills you need because you are Claude code.
Dmitri Sunshine: And I need you to be able to do my get to market and this website, all these things very professionally.
Dmitri Sunshine: So pull down all the plugins and skills that you need, guide me through if you can’t for some reason.
Dmitri Sunshine: But anyway, so it will like go and find the best skills and.
Dmitri Sunshine: But go into plan mode.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it spends a lot more time thinking first.
Dmitri Sunshine: Because cloud code is definitely like this like measure once, cut twice kind of system.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like it’s kind of sketchy for coding.
Dmitri Sunshine: I actually had to set up a system where it has like a senior reviewer agent that checks the work or checks the plants and.
Dmitri Sunshine: And also ask me the other thing is ask me clarifying questions.
Dmitri Sunshine: That’s the other big trick here.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: And the other thing to note here is do you know GitHub repo?
Stephen Cowan: I’ve only heard of it.
Stephen Cowan: I don’t know really what’s going on there.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay, so this is the cool thing.
Dmitri Sunshine: You just need to go and sign up.
Dmitri Sunshine: So you go sign up, it’s free.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then once you’re signed in, cloud code can actually like go like with a Chrome extension, it can go in and operate it for you.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it can like pull down your, like do, I mean do whatever it needs to do.
Dmitri Sunshine: But like most of it will be through commands, but it can go in if it has to like get the API key, whatever for you or just guide you through like opening up.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it logs in and then it’s got it stored locally, but anyways.
Dmitri Sunshine: But as you’re dealing with more local files, it’s really good to put it in GitHub so it’s not only being backed up, but it’s also got version control.
Dmitri Sunshine: So if like, if you made changes to your website that cloud code is managing, you’d be like, dude, you up, like revert the changes.
Dmitri Sunshine: And it can do that really easily because it just goes and looks at the version history.
Dmitri Sunshine: So it’s going to do all these things automatically.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right?
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s just, you have to just, you know, make sure you be kind of explicit and that it has to use the, you know, a GitHub repo for it.
Stephen Cowan: I think this is killer content for you, what you’re sharing right now because this leans into, you’re like, okay, yeah, what’s possible right now?
Stephen Cowan: I’m like, oh, I didn’t even know this was possible.
Stephen Cowan: Speaking to like the kind of the 101, you know, founder or, or whoever.
Stephen Cowan: And then it’s like, and then here’s, not only is it possible, but make, Let me help you connect it in a way where it’s, you know, it’s safe and secure and you’re, and you’re taken care of.
Stephen Cowan: So you’re not just like, am I taken care of?
Stephen Cowan: Does anything have my back?
Stephen Cowan: Where might this even fall apart?
Stephen Cowan: I think this is great content.
Dmitri Sunshine: Thank you.
Dmitri Sunshine: I, I gotta start making videos.
Dmitri Sunshine: I just got a new iPhone 17 to be able to do more, better talking head style videos for YouTube.
Dmitri Sunshine: So.
Stephen Cowan: Well, if you feel like there’s a, there’s a, we could figure out a trade where, where, you know, I could, we could figure out what a trade is through these referrals or time or whatever and I could, I could help you shoot because now, I mean we’ve got a bunch of, we got all this stuff, you know, to shoot in a really good way and not that it needs to be shot in the highest quality, but we can make.
Stephen Cowan: Let me, let me show you this.
Stephen Cowan: This.
Stephen Cowan: I just.
Stephen Cowan: Oh man, I had a killer interview.
Stephen Cowan: Oh, I need A send request to be able to share.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yep.
Dmitri Sunshine: Done.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Stephen Cowan: And then look at how nice this looks.
Stephen Cowan: Look at this guy.
Stephen Cowan: That’s Jonathan Ness.
Stephen Cowan: That’s the former president of the Navajo Nation, now currently running for Congress in Arizona.
Stephen Cowan: That’s why I had a reschedule.
Stephen Cowan: And thank you for that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Is.
Stephen Cowan: I was.
Stephen Cowan: This interview just showed up.
Stephen Cowan: He’s like, yeah, I’ll sit down with you.
Stephen Cowan: And then I got to interview his wife separately as well.
Stephen Cowan: So it’s like, wow, that’s.
Dmitri Sunshine: That’s.
Stephen Cowan: That’s looking nice.
Stephen Cowan: And the audio is really nice.
Stephen Cowan: The whole thing’s good.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: So we make you look like that.
Stephen Cowan: Make you look like a.
Stephen Cowan: Make you look like a movie star.
Dmitri Sunshine: Thank you.
Dmitri Sunshine: I. I will take you up on that offer and at the same time, will.
Dmitri Sunshine: And help you out just as friends.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, but I like to trade.
Stephen Cowan: I like the win.
Stephen Cowan: Win.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: We’re winning because we get to be friends.
Stephen Cowan: But you help me, and I want to help you in a.
Stephen Cowan: In.
Stephen Cowan: In.
Stephen Cowan: In an equal way.
Dmitri Sunshine: Sure.
Stephen Cowan: Thank you.
Stephen Cowan: Thank you.
Stephen Cowan: So, yeah, so when you’ve got an idea where you’re like, okay, yeah, we could spend an hour or two on this.
Stephen Cowan: We’ll.
Stephen Cowan: And you’re like, yeah, I’ve got a bunch of stuff I want to shoot, and I’ve got scripts or, like, however it is, I’ll help you with that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: So what help do you need right now?
Stephen Cowan: I think my help.
Stephen Cowan: I think.
Stephen Cowan: I think that is a help.
Stephen Cowan: I think everything that you shared with me is.
Stephen Cowan: Is the next, like, comfort zone to push what to practice with the.
Stephen Cowan: With the AI that’s all new to me.
Stephen Cowan: And then to be like, okay, now create a.
Stephen Cowan: Basically like a. I don’t know, an offering sheet.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, yeah.
Stephen Cowan: So those two things.
Stephen Cowan: That’s plenty for me.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, good.
Dmitri Sunshine: By the way, just, you know, you can tell it.
Dmitri Sunshine: You could tell color code.
Dmitri Sunshine: Be like, listen, I’m new to this.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, walk me through as.
Dmitri Sunshine: I’m a complete beginner to all these things, you know, and you just rattle off like, I do the Texas speech, right.
Dmitri Sunshine: Because you just want to give as much context as possible.
Dmitri Sunshine: Just.
Dmitri Sunshine: And that’s where, like, the stream of consciousness is the best thing.
Dmitri Sunshine: Give it as much as possible.
Dmitri Sunshine: Make sure you’re using the OPUS model, though.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Stephen Cowan: I think I’ve been using Sonnet.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, no, use Opus.
Dmitri Sunshine: Make sure you have Extended Thinking enabled.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: 1.
Dmitri Sunshine: One reason you might want to consider using Claude code in the terminal is you can set the effort to really high because the.
Dmitri Sunshine: It doesn’t allow you change the effort in the.
Dmitri Sunshine: The desktop app.
Stephen Cowan: Oh, so okay, so this is the desktop app.
Stephen Cowan: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: So yeah, and you’re on Windows is what it looks like.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, I’m on Windows.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay, cool.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then like walks you through.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s like, okay, yeah, so you need opus and then click, click down.
Dmitri Sunshine: It doesn’t give you extended thinking.
Dmitri Sunshine: Interesting.
Stephen Cowan: On this one, it.
Stephen Cowan: Oh, not in code.
Stephen Cowan: In chat
Dmitri Sunshine: does.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, but make sure you enable it here too.
Dmitri Sunshine: Enable Extended thinking is your default.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay, yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So interesting.
Dmitri Sunshine: You don’t.
Stephen Cowan: Maybe I’m not on a high enough plan.
Dmitri Sunshine: You’re on the pro plan, huh?
Dmitri Sunshine: Maybe.
Dmitri Sunshine: Also looks like there is.
Dmitri Sunshine: There might be an update or.
Dmitri Sunshine: No, it’s just saying forget apps.
Dmitri Sunshine: But.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay, but the other thing is if you just launch the.
Dmitri Sunshine: See if you’ve got Claude installed, like if you open up terminal or command prompt.
Dmitri Sunshine: So hit start and then start typing command, it’s start.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, that.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then start typing command prompt.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, hit that.
Dmitri Sunshine: And then once it opens up, type in Claude and then hit go or hit Enter.
Dmitri Sunshine: I mean, okay, so yeah, you don’t have it set up for here, but you know what?
Dmitri Sunshine: Just get started.
Dmitri Sunshine: Let’s.
Dmitri Sunshine: Let’s keep it simple because the command line can throw people off because it’s weird how you have to navigate it.
Stephen Cowan: Okay, that.
Stephen Cowan: That’s level two.
Stephen Cowan: We’ll just do level one for now.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, I don’t know if you really need like extended, like high effort thinking in this, but like, do this, like download Git for Windows.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, do what it tells you.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: And just.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, I mean, it’s like, so click here to download and you know what you can say is like, hey, make it easier for me.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right?
Dmitri Sunshine: And it will.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’ll be.
Dmitri Sunshine: It will like, it will literally like do the work.
Dmitri Sunshine: By the way, that’s the other nice thing about getting it set up to run in the terminal is you can do dangerously bypass permissions, which I don’t know if you want to do that initially, but, like, it’s such a pain in the ass to approve every single thing when it has to do a lot of operations.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right?
Dmitri Sunshine: And you could say, okay, approve, always approve this, and always approve that.
Dmitri Sunshine: But it’s like you have to keep approving each type of operation when you have dangerously bypassed permissions, it is sketchy.
Dmitri Sunshine: At the same time, it is such a power tool because it just goes through.
Dmitri Sunshine: Does all.
Dmitri Sunshine: You know, you have to trust it.
Dmitri Sunshine: I mostly trust it now, but this is where doing plan mode is really important.
Dmitri Sunshine: So if you Run in dangerously bypassed permissions.
Dmitri Sunshine: Having plan mode initially is the key to make sure it doesn’t just start doing shit.
Dmitri Sunshine: Because it will just do shit.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, it’s just like guessing.
Dmitri Sunshine: So, yeah, so I’ve got actually like when I do, when I’m working on like actual coding tasks, I have it.
Dmitri Sunshine: I basically give it a prompt to go through all the steps in the plan.
Dmitri Sunshine: Don’t deviate from the plan.
Dmitri Sunshine: If something doesn’t work the way it was planned out, I need you to go back to planning.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, don’t, like, don’t just keep trying.
Dmitri Sunshine: Just like go back to planning.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, we’re not.
Dmitri Sunshine: We’re not executing this plan until we are fully planned out.
Dmitri Sunshine: So essentially, like, it’s kind of like when you go to paint.
Dmitri Sunshine: I don’t know if you’ve got experience like painting rooms.
Stephen Cowan: Oh, okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: No, but like painting.
Dmitri Sunshine: Painting rooms or painting a home.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like 70 of the effort is actually in the.
Dmitri Sunshine: The prep and the cleanup.
Dmitri Sunshine: You know, it’s very small miles actually, like on the actual job of putting paint to the wall.
Dmitri Sunshine: The rest is just the preparation and verification afterwards.
Dmitri Sunshine: So the cleanup.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: This is gold.
Stephen Cowan: This is content gold.
Dmitri Sunshine: Thank you.
Dmitri Sunshine: Thank you for that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Right?
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, I know.
Stephen Cowan: It really is.
Stephen Cowan: It really is.
Stephen Cowan: I’m like, oh, this.
Stephen Cowan: I mean, if it’s really helpful for me, I’m sure it’s really helpful for a thousand and one other people.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stephen Cowan: And then you’re like.
Stephen Cowan: And then you’ve got this content.
Stephen Cowan: I don’t know how evergreen it it is, but it’s like you’re gonna have forever content.
Stephen Cowan: Because it’s like, okay, yeah, that’s how you did it two weeks ago.
Stephen Cowan: But now you gotta watch my newest video because that’s not even relevant anymore.
Stephen Cowan: Now do it this way.
Dmitri Sunshine: My concern is just the amount of effort to end up going into doing the content and the production.
Dmitri Sunshine: As you know, that’s.
Dmitri Sunshine: It can be a rabbit hole.
Stephen Cowan: So.
Dmitri Sunshine: But I definitely need to do that as just part of like the thought leadership and getting out there more.
Dmitri Sunshine: I’ve been trying to just do more regular posting on LinkedIn.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: By the way, other big tip.
Dmitri Sunshine: You’re on LinkedIn, right.
Dmitri Sunshine: I don’t think we connected on there.
Stephen Cowan: Oh, let’s be friends on LinkedIn.
Dmitri Sunshine: Did we connect on there?
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay, Are you maxing out your weekly invite request or weekly connection requests?
Stephen Cowan: No, not even doing it.
Stephen Cowan: Probably that much.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: Start doing that every week.
Dmitri Sunshine: Like, start looking like, do a search for, I don’t know, plant medicine.
Dmitri Sunshine: People like psychedelics, right?
Dmitri Sunshine: And just like, start going through those people and see who you have in.
Dmitri Sunshine: In connection, because people are more likely like, if you’re just like, hey, we have some awesome mutual connections.
Dmitri Sunshine: We love to connect.
Dmitri Sunshine: Also, do people love being on podcasts?
Dmitri Sunshine: And so.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, good photo.
Dmitri Sunshine: Good photo.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, no, we’re connected on there.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Stephen Cowan: Connected.
Dmitri Sunshine: We got 46 mutual connections, too.
Stephen Cowan: Nice.
Dmitri Sunshine: But yeah, man, just every week, max it out.
Stephen Cowan: How many is it to max out?
Dmitri Sunshine: Huh?
Stephen Cowan: How many are you maxing out at?
Dmitri Sunshine: I don’t know.
Dmitri Sunshine: I’ve been paying for Sales Navigator, which gives you, like, way more limit, but if you pay just for the premium, I think that that already raises the limit pretty close to what you get with Sales Navigator.
Dmitri Sunshine: But yeah, I mean, like, playing that LinkedIn game helps.
Dmitri Sunshine: I actually have to go back through all my connections right now to.
Dmitri Sunshine: To basically say, hey, I launch this consulting firm and also open to board seats, because I would love to get paid board seats in the meantime to get more exposure into companies and have that as kind of a credibility signal.
Stephen Cowan: Good thinking.
Stephen Cowan: I use LinkedIn to prospect for local guests, since you can sort by, you know, what city they’re in.
Stephen Cowan: That’s all I’m really using it for.
Stephen Cowan: And then just posting.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, dude, it’s.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’s super sketchy.
Dmitri Sunshine: But, you know, cloud code can run.
Dmitri Sunshine: Can do everything in your browser, so you could be like every.
Dmitri Sunshine: You know, I want you to schedule.
Dmitri Sunshine: Do this every week.
Dmitri Sunshine: You could get like a temporary ban.
Dmitri Sunshine: And I’ve gotten this from not even using an automated tool, just having too many browser windows open.
Dmitri Sunshine: And the way that Chrome does the memory management, I think triggered it.
Dmitri Sunshine: Anyways, so I got banned for like 24 hours, but it gives you a little bit of a.
Dmitri Sunshine: An idea.
Dmitri Sunshine: But anyways.
Dmitri Sunshine: But Steve, we can come back.
Dmitri Sunshine: We’ll get you to another call and keep going.
Stephen Cowan: And I’ll see you Thursday, right?
Dmitri Sunshine: You doing the hike Thursday morning?
Stephen Cowan: Thursday morning, yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So you’ll see me on that.
Dmitri Sunshine: But let me know if you want to connect again, go further with your stuff, kind of.
Stephen Cowan: Thank you.
Stephen Cowan: And then let me know how I can help you too.
Stephen Cowan: Don’t forget about me helping you.
Dmitri Sunshine: Thank you.
Dmitri Sunshine: I would.
Stephen Cowan: Don’t forget about that.
Dmitri Sunshine: I’ll keep.
Stephen Cowan: Or you would.
Stephen Cowan: Asking for help.
Stephen Cowan: Are you pretty good?
Dmitri Sunshine: I am pretty good.
Dmitri Sunshine: I’m definitely asking for help right now to connect with potential clients.
Dmitri Sunshine: So.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah, happy to.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: In the final minute here, like, what’s the ideal client for you?
Stephen Cowan: Most of my friends are founders of Natural Products.
Stephen Cowan: Yeah, not so much in tech.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: It’ll be more about wealth advisors, like wealth managers, attorneys, private foundations.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: So wealth.
Dmitri Sunshine: The wealth ecosystem, essentially.
Dmitri Sunshine: Anyways.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: All right, Steve, good to see you, man.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Dmitri Sunshine: But let’s let me know when you want to connect again, if you want to connect before then, and we can actually do, like, a session, get you going.
Stephen Cowan: That’d be nice.
Stephen Cowan: I got tomorrow, the next day, I think.
Stephen Cowan: I think we’ll connect Thursday, and then I’ll.
Stephen Cowan: I’ll get us another one after that.
Dmitri Sunshine: Okay.
Dmitri Sunshine: And maybe we can record that and I can make some content.
Stephen Cowan: Thank you.
Stephen Cowan: That’d be nice.
Dmitri Sunshine: Yeah.
Stephen Cowan: All right, Talk soon.
Dmitri Sunshine: All right, Steve.
Dmitri Sunshine: See you.